They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. John says virtually the same thing, and adds that to partner with false teachers is to take part in their wicked works. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) That is why there is so much confusion in the flock, they dont rebuke the error as Paul did, but are now hobnobbing with them..
18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. Jonah 2:10. In our modern
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It takes courage based in Jesus for you to do so, I am sure. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. Esther 4:16 fasting. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. Michelle,
1. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Also, there are some great resources here. Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. Here are my 2.1. Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Or and be .. 2 Kings 5:1-15 Heres why. Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. It just says dont. Period. It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). There are two crucial reasons for this. Jesus did that too, so did Samuel, so did Elijah . One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. (Also, their main genre is apologetics, not discernment.) My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. B. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. How to Live Beyond Yourself We can experience fullness of life by acknowledging our weakness, putting our past behind us, striving toward a worthy goal, and going for broke. We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. read more, Scripture:
*It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. Jeremiah 24:7. You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. It often times fails. Amen. No-one is beyond hope. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. Its very easy to think of Priscilla and think, Whats not to love?. Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. Even if shes twisted. Rebekah gave the servant water but also volunteered to water the 10 camels as well. As you can see, she has warm words of praise and admiration for Serita Jakes (T.D.s wife). Plus, she has a Bible and supposedly knows it well enough to teach it. I and my attendants will fast as you do.
This is not a new idea. Go beyond putting ourselves first. Well since thats the case, why dont you study and agree with what the Bible says? Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. i listen to Dr. Tony Evans and i love to hear him preach, he is a good pastor and knows the word of God, so i do not understand why all this negativity about his daughter, i agree with the bible about women being pastors, and she is not a pastor according to how much i know about her( i only know about her from war room). In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. We are to go beyond encouragement. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. The youtube video you offer here in your post is not available and Id kind of like to see what you were talking about. I also dislike how she makes a career of telling women not to have careers. Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. - Jonah 2:10. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts INTRODUCTION Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. Do you have other references to their false teaching? and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. I read myself into scripture, too! Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. I just do not think its right to judge anyones ministry it causes division with in the body of Christ why cant we just celebrate each other then we can learn from each other. Have been vetting her this was very helpful! (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. You are very kind and encouraging :0). Where does the Bible teach this? she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. Priscilla Shirer is. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Although that interpretation of the text is a possibility, being consistent with the rest of Scripture, it is by no means certain. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." Mark 5:32 Verse Concepts And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. A. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. TRUTH AND LOVE In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. 13 Bible Verses about God's Ways Beyond Human Understanding Most Relevant Verses Isaiah 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip.
It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. How is this different?. All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Astonished Beyond Measure Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. #4a I see where you noted that Priscilla uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? Now to Him who, in exercise of His power that is at work within us, is able to do infinitely beyond all our highest prayers or thoughts-- World English Bible Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Young's Literal Translation Hi Tiffany- Thanks for asking! - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Are you into apologetics or something? 2. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, but in my mind, if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. read more, Scripture:
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . Besides the short paragraph you provided on Lisa Harper in the list of other not-recommended teachers, do you have or know of any other good info/reviews on her? read more, Scripture:
After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. What we believe about that is irrelevant. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine.
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What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. The law in this case, being Scripture. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. She has been doing so for years.
My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He taught them: Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Come from Scripture alone, what is so wrong with that the text is a partial list of that... 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